Posts by Muddy Waters

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"Sighing and Groaning" is NOT a mark of holiness...!! (Rant!)

by Muddy Waters in

all these damn years in that damn cult -- remember how they tell you that jehovah looks upon those "who are sighing and groaning" (at all the terrible things being done.... focusing on all the evils and woes of the world and satan's system) -- and that all this sighing & groaning is some sort of mark of holiness?????.

every negative news article, every bad bit of something or circumstance - all support and become part of that woeful mindset.

and we are supposed to keep on being like that, sighing and groaning our lives away to receive some sort of damn mark from an angel's ink horn, to mark us as worthy of life..

Muddy Waters

Peely, thank you for the time, compassion, and thought for your response to me. I do appreciate your words, yet right now I am SO DONE with the bible, with religion, with all of it. If I did have some appreciation left for the bible, I'm sure your words would be comforting.

Alive, you know, I used to look at those pictures too and feel uncomfortable. For a religious people who are told not to glorify violence and to keep far away from wickedness, etc., those artists sure do a lot of ugly pictures. You look at those expressions of pain, shock, horror, terror, or just plain being dead and staring lifelessly... and you wonder how they could draw these and even show these horrible pictures to all the CHILDREN in the congregation, as part of their "religious" training.

It is a religion (cult!!) which foments hate, viciousness, cold heartedness, and all other manner of vile, emotionally-distancing effects on the psyche.

And hello again, Satan! Welcome to the forum. Do you also see these moments of doubt and pain (as you noted when Jesus died)? How is Anton doing..?

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Baptised younger

by Sabin in

so why do you think the borg is encouraging youngsters to get dunked sooner?

i reckon it's cause they are easy to victimise.

i mean, some-one could say, keep our secret, nobody will believe you & god wont love you, but think of the power they would have if they say "you will be disfellowshipped," on top.

Muddy Waters

Yes, it is all about control and the ability to keep their youth enslaved by keeping the DF threat hanging over their heads. They don't even follow their own counsel about being "footstep followers" of Jesus, who was baptized at the age of 30.

And, Satan! Welcome. Pleased to meetchoo! Are you hoping we guessed your name? I know you are a man of wealth and taste....

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"Sighing and Groaning" is NOT a mark of holiness...!! (Rant!)

by Muddy Waters in

all these damn years in that damn cult -- remember how they tell you that jehovah looks upon those "who are sighing and groaning" (at all the terrible things being done.... focusing on all the evils and woes of the world and satan's system) -- and that all this sighing & groaning is some sort of mark of holiness?????.

every negative news article, every bad bit of something or circumstance - all support and become part of that woeful mindset.

and we are supposed to keep on being like that, sighing and groaning our lives away to receive some sort of damn mark from an angel's ink horn, to mark us as worthy of life..

Muddy Waters

Tiki, I know, right?!?! Crazy.

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"Sighing and Groaning" is NOT a mark of holiness...!! (Rant!)

by Muddy Waters in

all these damn years in that damn cult -- remember how they tell you that jehovah looks upon those "who are sighing and groaning" (at all the terrible things being done.... focusing on all the evils and woes of the world and satan's system) -- and that all this sighing & groaning is some sort of mark of holiness?????.

every negative news article, every bad bit of something or circumstance - all support and become part of that woeful mindset.

and we are supposed to keep on being like that, sighing and groaning our lives away to receive some sort of damn mark from an angel's ink horn, to mark us as worthy of life..

Muddy Waters

All these damn years in that damn cult -- remember how they tell you that Jehovah looks upon those "who are sighing and groaning" (at all the terrible things being done.... focusing on all the evils and woes of the world and Satan's system) -- and that all this sighing & groaning is some sort of mark of holiness?????

Every negative news article, every bad bit of something or circumstance - all support and become part of that woeful mindset. And we are supposed to KEEP ON being like that, sighing and groaning our lives away to receive some sort of damn mark from an angel's ink horn, to mark us as worthy of life.

Remember?? ... Sorry, I sooooo want to swear and curse and stomp around, but will attempt to keep a civil tongue.

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER DICHOTOMY OF THIS CULT -- that Jehovah's people are supposed to be happy people, having a wonderful hope, etc., yet we are also supposed to be sighing and groaning in order to receive this mark.

Well, freaking sighing and groaning is NOT doing so much for me, you know???

For almost 30 years in that damn cult, I have fretted and sobbed and sighed and groaned and "paid close attention" to all their talks and study articles of woe and destruction and ruin of the earth and horrible people and violence and strife and bloodshed and earthquakes and floods and tsunamis and bad, bad books and movies and recreation and immorality (their definitions) and all the ways of badness, to the nth degree! -- and more ruin and strife and destruction (culminating in the utmost and most fearsome and terrible destruction by Jehovah himself!!) --

And just how is it holy to be so focused on CRAP and negative shit???

Oh but they will say no, no, we have this wonderful hope, we are supposed to consider things which are righteous and holy... peaceable, upbuilding, etc., but EVEN THOSE THINGS are defined by the WT!!!! Even the positive things are geared toward fulfilling their agenda; again, to the nth degree.

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Thinking about...Oompahh...these days

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

do you still remember oompahh?

the last weeks he is in my mind.

not forgotten.. g..

Muddy Waters

Yes, but I was fairly new here. Very sad. I too think about him sometimes, hard to forget his tragic and sad situation. Have to wonder if his family ever woke up, but what pain for them if they do. This religion causes so much harm. :(

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Something isnt quite right.

by atomant in

jw
friends

l was wondering if others get the feeling that the world we live in seems not quite right.l can not pin point anything specific but since childhood days l often get the feeling something isn;t correct.you know the feeling of deja vu.

am l the only one to feel this way?ld love to hear from others and any storys they may have.having been raised in the jdubs maybe lm just suffering mild bouts of paranoia .

Muddy Waters

Ahhhhhh...... Aren't voices of reason ever so comforting ..? :)

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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

Muddy Waters

Oh, Joe, I wish you could see the original elder's version! The young (most likely "inexperienced") elder who feels compassion for Mary, who quickly took her aside into another room (though being alone with her! Gasp!) and who even touched her arm (oh no!! More gasp!) and who showed more compassion than the other two idiot drones, was the elder who was in the wrong.

After all, according to JW indoctrination, (though this is never said in the elder's version) now that she is newly single, and so emotional to boot, this makes her very dangerous in a Jezebel/harlot sort of way. She probably can't wait to commit fornication due to her lonliness and extreme emotions, being such a weak, fragile female vessel.

The brothers must continually be on guard -- these "desirable" men, these glorious ones, these strong, experienced fountains of wisdom, these stars in Jesus' right hand -- who can't be alone with a sister, even in a little room at the Kingdom Hall, while people are right outside the door, for even a single moment.

They must ever be on the lookout for SIN - and emotions all out of hand like this - are simply another matter to be on guard against.

Gah, I can't keep on with this shit.

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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

Muddy Waters

Thank you, Joe. And yes, I can read between the lines of "diplomacy". I hear your Samaritan friend saying, basically:

1). As a professional, there is no way in hell she would ever use such an approach!

2). These elders are basically " blaming the victim" and making her feel worse by being condescending, know-it-all, and superior -- NOT helpful!! - (If someone says, "You're NOT HELPING!", what do they mean? I would take this to mean that they are saying, "You are being harmful!")

3). Making her feel even more burdened and guilty by making these extreme feelings of grief be a "sin" -- NOT helpful! Meaning again, that they are being HARMFUL!

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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

Muddy Waters

Joe, I feel your anger and outrage. And am so sorry for what your family went through.

This stuff from the WT cult is dangerous. Stupid, clueless WT, harming people over and over again, especially to people who need comfort the most!!

I would be very interested in knowing what that Samaritan organization says about this video.

The elder's don't even mention her husband and probably their friend, too. No happy memories to laugh and cry about (what happened to "mourn with those who mourn, weep with those who weep..."?) -- just stupid smarmy smiles and utter, utter cluelessness. No compassion for people, even for their dead friend, who probably had a 2 minute mention about his service record for the organization at his "memorial" talk.

Onward to full cult control. Remember Job! Memorize a couple scriptures! Repeat some useless mantra. Pour on more guilt. Don't provide any practical help or aid.

And "thank you, Jehovah!" - she has cookies! - even if she is feeling like she's losing her mind. Those two scriptures and that mantra should really help her. And if she does happen to succumb to "sin" and commit suicide, well, at least the elder's did all they could. Too bad she died unfaithful and did not keep integrity after all. That ole Satan has claimed another one....

I feel your anger, Joe, and outrage. This is totally irresponsible "shepherding" and "taking care of the flock."

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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

Muddy Waters

I couldn't believe this video when it first came out -- is there a link to the original elder's version? It has a few more parts but this version keeps most of the stupidity and dangerousness of uneducated men posing as mental health counsellors.

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I think in the elder's version, there were two examples given on how to help this sister -- 1) WHAT NOT TO DO, and 2) the "correct" version of how to help this sister. (And to think, this is the "correct" version!!!)

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In the "What NOT To Do" part of the elder's video, they had a brother all by himself talking to Mary, at the Kingdom Hall. He even *touched* her by putting his hand reassuringly on her arm, and then, asked Mary to go into the little room off the main auditorium so they could talk (or maybe he touched her arm while they were alone in the little room together). Anyhow, THAT was the very very wrong & incorrect thing to do -- being **alone** with this grieving sister -- in a room off the main auditorium of the hall, even though it was right after the meeting, with people still talking & visiting each other in the kingdom hall.

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Also, in the original elder's version, there are some very hard and cold looks that Mary gives to "Brother Brown", I will call him. The older, smarmy smiling brother I will call "Brother Grey".

You see a bit of this vibe between Mary and Brother Brown when he says he is going to give her "an assignment" - memorize two insipid bible verses. Did anybody else catch this bad vibe? It's like the sister herself cannot believe the terrible advice she is being given.

I feel a really bad vibe between her and Brother Brown. She just looks at him really coldly and with a lot of disgust or anger. When she looks at Brother Grey, you can see she is trying hard to act her part to be upset, but Brother Brown gets a lot of cold, hard looks.

I remember noticing this in the original elder's version of this. Does anybody have a link to that video?